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	<title>Comments on: Pushing the Quality Central &#8216;clean up&#8217;</title>
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	<description>CodeGear QA Manager for RAD Studio products</description>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that's great news.  thanks.  happy july 4th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s great news.  thanks.  happy july 4th.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, I'll get it all sorted out on Friday once I'm back in office. Was just enjoying a pleasant July 4th :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have provided plenty of information - I'll be reopening the issue, then looking at testing  with different system time zone settings. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We can move discussions into QC. I really don't mind these discussions on my blog, in email or in QC as long as we get the issue identified and resolved.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'll also work with the QA team about ensuring we give adequate feedback in QC when resolving reports. Thanks for bringing all this up and spending the time providing clear and concise information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, I&#8217;ll get it all sorted out on Friday once I&#8217;m back in office. Was just enjoying a pleasant July 4th <img src='http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You have provided plenty of information - I&#8217;ll be reopening the issue, then looking at testing  with different system time zone settings. </p>
<p>We can move discussions into QC. I really don&#8217;t mind these discussions on my blog, in email or in QC as long as we get the issue identified and resolved.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also work with the QA team about ensuring we give adequate feedback in QC when resolving reports. Thanks for bringing all this up and spending the time providing clear and concise information.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, &lt;br&gt;i think i have blogged you enough about my stomped-on QC report.  so i've pasted my info from here into that report.  however, it's still closed, which makes me uncertain as to whether anyone will read it ever again. do you have enough inclination yet to get someone to re-open it and resolve it properly?&lt;br&gt;thanks,&lt;br&gt;grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
<br />i think i have blogged you enough about my stomped-on QC report.  so i&#8217;ve pasted my info from here into that report.  however, it&#8217;s still closed, which makes me uncertain as to whether anyone will read it ever again. do you have enough inclination yet to get someone to re-open it and resolve it properly?<br />
<br />thanks,<br />
<br />grant</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found the feed in Internet Explorer:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://dn.codegear.com/delphi/rss"&gt;http://dn.codegear.com/delphi/rss&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The dates are correct in IE, wrong in the Delphi2007 IDE.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sample Copy-Paste from IE:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006&lt;br&gt;Today, 4 July 2007, 10 hours ago&lt;br&gt;Abstract: Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006 is now available&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Equivalent Copy-Paste from IDE:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006&lt;br&gt;Abstract: Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006 is now available&lt;br&gt;Posted on: Friday, 3 August 2007&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;Grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found the feed in Internet Explorer:<br />
<br /><a rel="nofollow" target="_new" href="http://dn.codegear.com/delphi/rss">http://dn.codegear.com/delphi/rss</a></p>
<p>The dates are correct in IE, wrong in the Delphi2007 IDE.</p>
<p>Sample Copy-Paste from IE:</p>
<p>Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006<br />
<br />Today, 4 July 2007, 10 hours ago<br />
<br />Abstract: Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006 is now available</p>
<p>Equivalent Copy-Paste from IDE:</p>
<p>Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006<br />
<br />Abstract: Hotfix 13 for Borland Developer Studio 2006 is now available<br />
<br />Posted on: Friday, 3 August 2007</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
<br />Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don't understand why we are doing this in a blog.  This discussion belongs in the QC report - this is one of the points that I have been trying to make.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My aim in mentioning this issue on the blog was to raise awareness that there maybe be some inherent danger in using &#34;number of closed reports&#34; as a metric.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that maybe there is some internal misunderstanding at Codegear about the if/when/hows of closing a report.  I would be rather shocked if it turned out that due process was followed in this particular case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, here goes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steps to reproduce on two machines in our office (both Tokyo timezone): &lt;br&gt;1 Open Delphi2007 IDE&lt;br&gt;2 Click &#34;News&#34; under the &#34;Codegear from Boland&#34; banner&lt;br&gt;3 Click &#34;Select Newsfeed&#34;&lt;br&gt;4 From the dropdown menu choose &#34;Codegear Developer Network&#34; and then a submenu like &#34;Delphi&#34;&lt;br&gt;5 Look at the green text at the bottom of each posting, check for dates in the future, such as (copy-paste here:) &#34;Posted on: Friday, 3 August 2007&#34;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other notes: &lt;br&gt;* I'm sorry, but I don't know how to navigate to an equivalent page in Internet Explorer.&lt;br&gt;* My Windows clock has the correct local time/date for me.&lt;br&gt;* Not all feeds have this problem.  For example, if I select the feed &#34;QualityCentral&#34; -&#62; &#34;Delphi&#34;, then there are no future dates.&lt;br&gt;* We have reproduced this on two machines.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank,&lt;br&gt;Grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why we are doing this in a blog.  This discussion belongs in the QC report - this is one of the points that I have been trying to make.</p>
<p>My aim in mentioning this issue on the blog was to raise awareness that there maybe be some inherent danger in using &quot;number of closed reports&quot; as a metric.  </p>
<p>And that maybe there is some internal misunderstanding at Codegear about the if/when/hows of closing a report.  I would be rather shocked if it turned out that due process was followed in this particular case.</p>
<p>However, here goes:</p>
<p>Steps to reproduce on two machines in our office (both Tokyo timezone):<br />
<br />1 Open Delphi2007 IDE<br />
<br />2 Click &quot;News&quot; under the &quot;Codegear from Boland&quot; banner<br />
<br />3 Click &quot;Select Newsfeed&quot;<br />
<br />4 From the dropdown menu choose &quot;Codegear Developer Network&quot; and then a submenu like &quot;Delphi&quot;<br />
<br />5 Look at the green text at the bottom of each posting, check for dates in the future, such as (copy-paste here:) &quot;Posted on: Friday, 3 August 2007&quot;</p>
<p>Other notes:<br />
<br />* I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t know how to navigate to an equivalent page in Internet Explorer.<br />
<br />* My Windows clock has the correct local time/date for me.<br />
<br />* Not all feeds have this problem.  For example, if I select the feed &quot;QualityCentral&quot; -&gt; &quot;Delphi&quot;, then there are no future dates.<br />
<br />* We have reproduced this on two machines.</p>
<p>Thank,<br />
<br />Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Grant, message understood. Feedback should be provided on any closed reports describing why the action was taken place. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did look at the feeds, both from IDE and in standalone browser and do not see anything wrong with the dates. Hence my questions about system clock setting and OS may still apply. What timezone are you in, etc...?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And did you confirm that your browser shows a different time/date then the IDE embedded browser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Grant, message understood. Feedback should be provided on any closed reports describing why the action was taken place. </p>
<p>I did look at the feeds, both from IDE and in standalone browser and do not see anything wrong with the dates. Hence my questions about system clock setting and OS may still apply. What timezone are you in, etc&#8230;?</p>
<p>And did you confirm that your browser shows a different time/date then the IDE embedded browser?</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The games I'm referring to is closing my report without any feedback or reason.  Here you have given me feedback and reason, which is great.  It should have been in that report.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem I experienced was in the Start Page of the Delphi IDE.  If that is caused by something else or not is a back-end concern.  If I submitted in the wrong place, then CODEGEAR should move it, don't close it without explanation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Although you cannot reproduce it, this is likely because you have not looked at the news feeds from one of the &#34;Codegear Developer Network&#34;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I had been given a chance in the QC process, we would have been able to figure that out together and solve the problem.  By closing the issue CODEGEAR has gained nothing except drive me to frustration and loud typing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks again,&lt;br&gt;Grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The games I&#8217;m referring to is closing my report without any feedback or reason.  Here you have given me feedback and reason, which is great.  It should have been in that report.</p>
<p>The problem I experienced was in the Start Page of the Delphi IDE.  If that is caused by something else or not is a back-end concern.  If I submitted in the wrong place, then CODEGEAR should move it, don&#8217;t close it without explanation.</p>
<p>Although you cannot reproduce it, this is likely because you have not looked at the news feeds from one of the &quot;Codegear Developer Network&quot;.  </p>
<p>If I had been given a chance in the QC process, we would have been able to figure that out together and solve the problem.  By closing the issue CODEGEAR has gained nothing except drive me to frustration and loud typing.</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
<br />Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Test Case Error means the submission is invalid as submitted. Cannot Reproduce means that the issue seems valid, but cannot be reproduced with given steps. It may mean steps are incomplete, or more information is required from the submitter on the environment the issue was encountered in. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quality Central should contain product related issues, 48365 describes a problem with date displayed in the Start Page for articles posted on DN. It seems to be an invalid report since a) it's related to the website, not product (what do you see when you browse to the website directly?) and b) we can't reproduce it and no other steps/information are provided to help us do so if in fact it is a start page logic error.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We're not playing any 'games' with Quality Central. We will have to push back on reports we cannot reproduce, and some folks will need to work with us and give the information we need. The goal is to reproduce, then fix, issues in the product. And of course we'd like to target the most serious ones first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Test Case Error means the submission is invalid as submitted. Cannot Reproduce means that the issue seems valid, but cannot be reproduced with given steps. It may mean steps are incomplete, or more information is required from the submitter on the environment the issue was encountered in. </p>
<p>Quality Central should contain product related issues, 48365 describes a problem with date displayed in the Start Page for articles posted on DN. It seems to be an invalid report since a) it&#8217;s related to the website, not product (what do you see when you browse to the website directly?) and b) we can&#8217;t reproduce it and no other steps/information are provided to help us do so if in fact it is a start page logic error.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not playing any &#8216;games&#8217; with Quality Central. We will have to push back on reports we cannot reproduce, and some folks will need to work with us and give the information we need. The goal is to reproduce, then fix, issues in the product. And of course we&#8217;d like to target the most serious ones first.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Allan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, thanks for the response, but how about let's re-open the Quality Central issue and discuss it there.  The post to the blog is more related to the question of what game are you guys playing at stomping on submitted Quality Central issues in this manner?  And to ask what does &#34;Test Case Error&#34; mean?  Presumably it is something different to &#34;Cannot Reproduce&#34;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks,&lt;br&gt;Grant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, thanks for the response, but how about let&#8217;s re-open the Quality Central issue and discuss it there.  The post to the blog is more related to the question of what game are you guys playing at stomping on submitted Quality Central issues in this manner?  And to ask what does &quot;Test Case Error&quot; mean?  Presumably it is something different to &quot;Cannot Reproduce&quot;?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
<br />Grant</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.codegear.com/chrispattinson/2007/06/21/36246#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typically comments should be added. This one never got to the internal bug tracking system. I can't reproduce your problem, is your system clock set ahead a month? What OS are you using?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typically comments should be added. This one never got to the internal bug tracking system. I can&#8217;t reproduce your problem, is your system clock set ahead a month? What OS are you using?</p>
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